Vision Pro With M5 Chip Rumored for 2025, Apple Also 'Considering' iPhone-Connected Glasses

[bgillander]

If a tablet or phone is all they have, then I don't care what they think about the AVP virtual displays... they're not the kind of users that would recognize unacceptable clarity in small text like is used for coding.

This post sums up the strangeness of the many AVP arguments on this forum.

People do not "recognize unacceptable clarity"; they either find something personally acceptable or unacceptable based on their own opinion.

It is weird that the AVP brings out the desire in so many to project their dislike of it to the entire population, rather than just thinking "I don't like the AVP, but apparently some do, and I can deal with that".

 

[HDFan]

So I'll leave this here in case anyone actually cares to learn why virtual monitors just don't work:

Curious statement when many people report that the VP virtual display does work. Certainly does in my case. I spend hours at a time using it. Much better than my Studio Display.

 

[subjonas]

If Apple makes iPhone-connected glasses, I really hope they figure out how to make them much easier to see through than today’s “AR” glasses options. I have Vitures and they have too much tint and especially reflection, plus I think some flare/discoloration. Looking at the virtual content is pretty nice (when it’s not moving around too much), but it’s annoying trying to look at my real world surroundings through the glasses, especially when dimly lit, mainly due to the reflection. I’d almost rather the world just be all blacked out and not even try to look around. I think all other glasses out there have similar issues—just the state of (available) technology it seems.
But these types of glasses do have some value—they are at least a very portable private large screen media viewer, and they work well as long as I don’t move around too much while using them. And I”m sure an Apple version would be considerably better, but maybe not in all the ways I hope.

 

[jo-1]

Curious statement when many people report that the VP virtual display does work. Certainly does in my case. I spend hours at a time using it. Much better than my Studio Display.

who cares about users that have actual experiences with a device - this can not be true because Serqetry doest want it to be true 🤣

 

[paradox00]

Nonsense, it was always an aspirational product at that price. They only had limited production so it could be nothing else.

I wasn’t talking about what the Vision Pro is. I was talking about how Tim Cook and Apple described it at launch vs how they describe it now. They’ve publicly moved the goalposts regardless of whether they’ve changed internally as well (rumours suggest they have, multiple times, but that wasn’t my point).

 

[HDFan]

So I'll leave this here in case anyone actually cares to learn why virtual monitors just don't work:

Early users of the Ultra Wide virtual screen give it rave review akin to "the killer VP app we've been waiting for".

 

[jaw04005]

Early users of the Ultra Wide virtual screen give it rave review akin to "the killer VP app we've been waiting for".

There's a wow factor involved. It gives me Minority Report/Iron Man vibes. but the posters above are correct. I just can't see how anyone could use the virtual screen for hours per day.

I sure couldn't do Photoshop or design work on the virtual screen. It's just not at that level. I tried it with Excel, as I prefer to use the desktop version for expense reports, but got frustrated and went back to my Mac.

The AVP is the type of product that would have been offered to developers exclusively for a cheap price at an in-person WWDC in the Jobs era like the original Intel transition kit ($500).

Why they decided to sell it to consumers with an unfinished operating system and very little platform support, I'll never know.

 

[subjonas]

I just can't see how anyone could use the virtual screen for hours per day.

Because of discomfort? No idea what the numbers are, but some people are able to likely due to varying face/head shapes/sizes and tolerances; also some people use third party accessories for better fit/comfort.

I sure couldn't do Photoshop or design work on the virtual screen. It's just not at that level.

I tried it with Excel, as I prefer to use the desktop version for expense reports, but got frustrated

Can you be more specific about these? “Not at Photoshop/design work level” in terms of (eg. resolution and/or color accuracy)? And frustrated why?

 

[HDFan]

I just can't see how anyone could use the virtual screen for hours per day.

I sure couldn't do Photoshop or design work on the virtual screen. It's just not at that level. I tried it with Excel, as I prefer to use the desktop version for expense reports, but got frustrated and went back to my Mac.

There are a lot of people that do and have no problem. I got through 2 or more batteries worth of time a day.

There are some apps that as yet don't work particularly well. Apps such as Excel which require text editing and/or selecting very small elements are problems to be fixed.

 

[jaw04005]

Because of discomfort? No idea what the numbers are, but some people are able to likely due to varying face/head shapes/sizes and tolerances; also some people use third party accessories for better fit/comfort.



Can you be more specific about these? “Not at Photoshop/design work level” in terms of (eg. resolution and/or color accuracy)? And frustrated why?

All of the above. It's basically just using the higher quality screen sharing we've had in MacOS for a few years now. I don't know many people that do Photoshop and design work using screen sharing, do you? It's not pixel for pixel. There's scaling. There's lag.

If they could ever somehow get Apple Pencil to work with Vision Pro, that'd be interesting.

It's fun, but I wouldn't call it a killer feature for the device.

The hero feature is still watching 3D/immersive content. Maybe not a game changer, but the Apple Intelligence feature of converting photos to 3D is also very compelling.

 

[vantelimus]

All of the above. It's basically just using the higher quality screen sharing we've had in MacOS for a few years now. I don't know many people that do Photoshop and design work using screen sharing, do you? It's not pixel for pixel. There's scaling. There's lag.

For design work, I think it depends on how much pixel jockeying you do. Even on a 6k screen, you are going to magnify things if you are working at a pixel level. That you can do on an AVP just fine with screen sharing. The one thing you cannot do is view the final product at that high resolution. You’ll have to do that on a 6k screen.

The question is, how many people need that resolution for their work? No doubt some do and they have valid reasons for not using the AVP. But, the AVP was not made to be a 6k monitor replacement. So their valid reasons for not wanting the device aren’t valid criticism of the display resolution. It would make as much sense for an airplane pilot criticize a car for not generating enough lift.

If they could ever somehow get Apple Pencil to work with Vision Pro, that'd be interesting.

Not sure about Apple Pencil. I do use my AVP with screen sharing even when I’m not actually using the Mac because I like the accuracy of using a mouse along with its grey floating cursor on text. That alone gives some credence to the criticism of the AVP not having controllers. Apple should pay attention to that as they evolve their UI. Maybe a pencil-like device would be useful.

It's fun, but I wouldn't call it a killer feature for the device.

The hero feature is still watching 3D/immersive content. Maybe not a game changer, but the Apple Intelligence feature of converting photos to 3D is also very compelling.

To each his own. I do find the ultrawide display sharing a killer app. Maybe the lesson is that there are two products here. A lighter weight display replacement without all extra bells and whistles of a full AVP might be a viable product everywhere except the EU.

 

[shenfrey]

I'm probably misinterpreting this article, but to me it reads as if Apple admits the Vision Pro is a failure and is on the verge of cancelling the product all together in favour of a different product. It also really sounds like Apple are simply experimenting and don't know what to do in all honesty.

 

[HDFan]

I'm probably misinterpreting this article,

Which article?

 

[shenfrey]

Which article?

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[harmonthe3rd]

Will the M5 feature 2nm architecture?

From my understanding Apple isn't planning on using the 2nm architecture until the m6 at the earliest, and more likely the m7. The m5 will still be 3nm.

 

[Ctrlos]

From my understanding Apple isn't planning on using the 2nm architecture until the m6 at the earliest, and more likely the m7. The m5 will still be 3nm.

This assumes they can find a manufacturer. There may be all sorts of geopoltiical issues to think about by then.

 

[harmonthe3rd]

This assumes they can find a manufacturer. There may be all sorts of geopoltiical issues to think about by then.

TSMC's Arizona facility will be batching chips for Apple with a projected increase of yield by 2028.

 

[Ctrlos]

TSMC's Arizona facility will be batching chips for Apple with a projected increase of yield by 2028.

This assumes the EU don't slap some controls on Trumpf in retaliation for possible trade tariffs. It's possible for the UK government to obtain shares in Arm Holdings and weaponjse that as well.

This all sounds hideously unlikely but in the current political climate who knows?

 

[harmonthe3rd]

This assumes the EU don't slap some controls on Trumpf in retaliation for possible trade tariffs. It's possible for the UK government to obtain shares in Arm Holdings and weaponjse that as well.

This all sounds hideously unlikely but in the current political climate who knows?

Who Knows, should be the theme for this year.

 

[bluespark]

Surprised they’re only ‘considering’ the connected glasses. Most would likely agree that when you have a computer as powerful as an iPhone, it makes sense to offload processing to it.

Exactly -- this is what I wanted originally, rather than the Vision Pro. We already have our phones with us, so a device that plugs in is ideal, especially if we also could use it for real work (to that end, letting it also plug into an iPad or a Mac would be great, since we could use those more advanced apps).