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This does not seem like a big deal, until you use the tandem display on the ipad. It's just so much better and causes less eyestrain. It's a shame they don't bring it to their marquee products. Also, the pro machines could use to be less chunky and of coures the notch.
 
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This is story and analysis is poorly written. M5, based on A19 / TSMC N3P, won’t be ready until iPhone 17 Pro launch. There will be no 2025 MacBook Pro update. The next MacBook Pro update, after the M4 / N3E update in October 2024, won’t be until Spring 2026, which will consist of M5 on N3P + OLED screen.
 
I wonder why it's taking so long... other brands like Asus, Dell, and Lenovo already have laptops with OLED screens. Is there just some super-secret sauce that Apple insists on adding to theirs that makes it impossible to just use whatever screen technology already exists? 🤔
Apple has too much money xD Just take a look at all their latest "innovations" xD even AI is half-baked and rely on external services...
 
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There are still too many issues with oled, yes the colors look great but text isn't as sharp on most oled screens due to the way they configure the rgb. They also do not get as bright as miniLED.

I'm glad Apple is holding back, I think they've figured out the brightness thing with the dual oled solution they did for the iPad but it's not ready for coders and programmers. iPad is a consumption device, the screens need to be perfect on Mac.

I prefer the 15' MacBook Air over the dell xps 14 or 16 oled, partially due to the touch layer they added to the dell which creates a grainy representation. If and when apple can solve the rgb issue and make text as sharp and clear as they got it on the miniled, I hope they wait to adopt.
 
Maybe...but five years is a long time with no redesign. I'm still expecting a redesign in 2025, even if the panel remains the same.
Most MacBook Pro designs lasted about 4 to 5 years before a new one was introduced. The current design is almost three years old. I don't really see the issue.
 
Apple is waiting for oled prices to drop to keep their margins. So MacBook users can't benefit from oled until apple can make enough money from you. I've had oled on my gaming laptop since 2019 and now my surface pro has oled
 
Almost every high end Windows laptop has OLED screen.

What are they waiting for?
Not just high end -- $750 ASUS with Ultra 7 and 2.8K 120Hz OLED at Walmart. It's too bad Apple can't just give people OLED now and then when they get their magical OLED figured out, make it the next gen MacBook, but instead you get nothing and like it!

OLED is everywhere in Windows laptops and Android tablets. TBH, not many people complaining...
 
There are still too many issues with oled, yes the colors look great but text isn't as sharp on most oled screens due to the way they configure the rgb. They also do not get as bright as miniLED.

I'm glad Apple is holding back, I think they've figured out the brightness thing with the dual oled solution they did for the iPad but it's not ready for coders and programmers. iPad is a consumption device, the screens need to be perfect on Mac.

I prefer the 15' MacBook Air over the dell xps 14 or 16 oled, partially due to the touch layer they added to the dell which creates a grainy representation. If and when apple can solve the rgb issue and make text as sharp and clear as they got it on the miniled, I hope they wait to adopt.
Current OLED's in Windows laptops are 400-500 nits in SD. Higher in HDR. How bright do you need? And by need, don't mean needing to be able to watch an HDR movie with 2000 nits brightness.

Also, 2.8K 120Hz OLED screen looks plenty sharp to me. Sharper than my MBP 16 w/M1 Pro.
 
They probably want good brightness so tandem OLED + keeping their margins. I suspect the screen tech is too expensive for such large panels
Why are competing brands able to introduce them without being more expensive? Dell also uses those tandem oled screens and offer them with 16 GB and 512 SSD at the start oh… also include it with touch.

Dell sells more computers than Apple so it isn’t scarcity 🤔
 
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People claiming there are "issues" with OLEDs still are off their rocker

OLED is amazing and long ago should have been everywhere in Apple products, but instead they are holding it back to keep gouging people

Why people support this (let alone defend it) is completely mystifying to me
 
Current OLED's in Windows laptops are 400-500 nits in SD. Higher in HDR. How bright do you need? And by need, don't mean needing to be able to watch an HDR movie with 2000 nits brightness.
1000 nits full screen for SDR, 1600 nits peak for HDR. Like the iPads with Tandem OLED, or the current MBPs with Vivid or a similar utility.
 
Why are competing brands able to introduce them without being more expensive? Dell also uses those tandem oled screens and offer them with 16 GB and 512 SSD at the start oh… also include it with touch.

Dell sells more computers than Apple so it isn’t scarcity 🤔
The Dell Tandem OLEDs are not on par with Apple's (only 400-480 nits vs 1000-1600 nits). They are less than half as bright. They are even less bright than the LCD on the MacBook Airs.


Also, Dell is only using 13" tandem OLEDs. Not 14" and 16" like the MBPs use.
 
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I wonder why it's taking so long... other brands like Asus, Dell, and Lenovo already have laptops with OLED screens. Is there just some super-secret sauce that Apple insists on adding to theirs that makes it impossible to just use whatever screen technology already exists? 🤔
I assume they simply want us M1 MBP users to get our value worth out of them, and not upgrade for another couple of years yet :p
 
After it took them 4 years to pick 5 colors and add a USB-C port to the AirPods Max, it will take at least 5 more years to put an OLED on a Mac.

Meanwhile, the customer keeps paying.
Do they though?

I almost never see anyone with AirPods Max. When I do, I can't help looking at them in the same pitying way I'd look at a homeless man.

I have a 16" M1P MBP. Nothing in the M2 or M3 releases has tempted me to upgrade, except for increased battery life (but this machine has heaps), and the Space Black color (I'm fine without it). However, add a thinner, redesigned MBP with OLED, plus the longer battery life etc, and I suppose it will be about time to upgrade.

Every new M-chip release, Apple tries super hard to convince M1 owners to upgrade. They aren't doing this because M1 owners are queueing up to throw money at Apple.
 
Honestly what’s going on with Apple, after the AirPods max having nothing, and all designs not changing year after year, now the MacBooks, I have the M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 and 4 years in and all we get is chip bump each year; how about removing the notch or make it lighter or something; it’s like Apple doesn’t have any design team anymore. This is poor
Well come on, it's not like Apple have ever updated the designs of it's MBP on an annual basis. If a new design comes out with the M5, then the M1 design will have had 4 years, which is nothing to complain about.

I don't know about you, but my 16" M1P MBP is so overpowered as it is, I have zero need to upgrade it. If a new thinner design with OLED comes out with M5, then I'll be tempted. By then all the little incremental upgrades will add up to a decent upgraded machine.
 
Of course Apple doesn't want to cannibalize iPad Pro sales... again a decision against customers. They want the latest screen tech on a MacBook Pro or they'd want MacOS on an iPad... thing is, sales would increase, but Apple marketing is prehistoric in this regard.
 
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Not expecting to see OLED in 2025. Hopefully the year after that OLED comes to MacBook Pro
 
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